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Wednesday, October 08, 2008
'That One' Outrage
Posted by: Amanda Carpenter at 12:30 AM
The Democrats are acting all outraged McCain called Obama "that one"

Obama's campaign manager David Plouffe said it showed McCain’s “anger.”

“John McCain was all over the map on the issues, and he is so angry about the state of his campaign that he referred to Barack Obama as ‘that one’ – last time he couldn’t look at Senator Obama, this time he couldn’t say his name,” Plouffe said in a statement.

 






Tuesday, October 07, 2008
A Town Hall Debate?
Posted by: Amanda Carpenter at 11:57 PM
Call it a debate, call it a meeting, but don't  call whatever happened in Belmont tonight a town hall.

Of the 21 questions asked in the debate, most of them came from the moderator. Tom Brokaw asked nine of the questions, eight of them came from live questioners and four of were submitted over the internet and read by Brokaw.

You understand I have to be a bit protective of the "Townhall" brand, right?






Tuesday, October 07, 2008
Last Debate Thoughts (for Tonight) ...
Posted by: Matt Lewis at 11:37 PM
I tend to think that, had this been a traditional debate, the moderator would have felt compelled to bring up both Bill Ayers and the Keating Five.  That might well have made a dramatic difference in how tonight's debate played out. 

I still think McCain should have brought up Ayers, but a lot of smart people disagree...

As such, generally, I think this ended up being all too similar to the first debate.  I think McCain did well, but so did Obama.  But because McCain needed to gain some momentum tonight -- unless I'm missing something -- I don't think he accomplished that goal tonight...





Tuesday, October 07, 2008
Why the Debate Was Boring
Posted by: Amanda Carpenter at 11:34 PM
Yep, I said it. B-O-R-I-N-G.

Why? I attribute it to this stupid rule about "no follow up" questions from the moderators. Jim Lehrer barely did it, Gwen Ifill didn't and neither did Tom Brokaw.

I understand this was part of the pre-agreed upon rules, but if there are no follow-up questions WHAT IS THE POINT OF HAVING A JOURNALIST ON STAGE? Why not ask the candidates to answer predetermined essay questions and replay their stump speeches?  That's basically all we're getting anyway. Gah.

We could basically assign a robot named JimGwenTom to spit out randomly generated questions from the Internet. And that would probably be more productive.

Bless his soul, where is Tim Russert when you need him?

To this date, the Saddleback Forum was the best of the McCain-Obama faceoffs. It's a credit to Rick Warren, but should be an embarrassment to the media establishment running these debates.

Update
: Someone just pointed out to me Drudge's main headline is "BORING." I swear I didn't see it. The feeling is universal.





Tuesday, October 07, 2008
Townhall on Townhall
Posted by: Jonathan Garthwaite at 11:22 PM
It's McCain-Obama II tonight.  Click on "comments" below and dive into the fray.  Who's won?  Was McCain aggressive enough?  Who asked the dumbest question?  Who had the worst answer?




Tuesday, October 07, 2008
The Government Is Going To Pay Our Mortgages?
Posted by: Jonathan Garthwaite at 11:18 PM
I suspect a lot of conservatives would like to know more about what this means.

McCain: We've got to have a package of reforms, and it's got to lead to reform, prosperity and peace in the world. And I think that this problem has become so severe, as you know, that we're going to have to do something about home values. You know that home values of retirees continues to, to decline. And people are no longer able to afford their mortgage payments.

As president of the United States, Allen, I would order the secretary of the Treasury to immediately buy up the bad home-loan mortgages in America and renegotiate at the new value of those homes, at the diminished value of those homes, and let people make those -- be able to make those payments and stay in their homes.

Is it expensive? Yes. But we all know, my friends, until we stabilize home values in America, we're never going to start turning around and creating jobs and fixing our economy.

In addition to the bailout?






Tuesday, October 07, 2008
No Game-Changer Here
Posted by: Carol Platt Liebau at 10:48 PM
The debate was a draw.  It seems that both candidates are willing to play it safe -- surprising, at least, for McCain, given that he's behind.  His answers were more solid, and better . . . but, for the most part, he allowed Barack to be his usual, glib self (although I'm not sure that Barack came off as likable as he has in the past).  McCain was effective, but there were many missed opportunities and anyone hoping this debate would be a game-changer is bound to be disappointed.

1. It was surprising to me that Barack Obama had no real comeback to John McCain very effectively linking him to Fannie/Freddie debacle.   Wow.  Being the second largest recipient of Fannie/Freddie money "in history" is, I'll bet you, a fact that most of those watching the debate didn't know.

2. McCain's attack about "jello on the wall" and Obama's tax plans was, in my view, fairly effective.  He had specifics about how he would cut taxes; Obama didn't.  The mandates and fines for small business point that McCain made was also fairly effective.   It struck a false note a little earlier when Barack started talking about doubling the Peace Corps and all that.  Really, is that where we should be prioritizing at this point?

3.  Talk about the audacity of hope -- Barack referenced his "first term" in discussing entitlement reform.  Everyone should be that confident, no?

4.  GREAT POINT.  Barack promised a "middle tax class cut" when running for the Senate.  Got to DC and did . . . nada.  Why would that change now?  It would be nice to see that in an ad (hint, hint).

5.  Senator McCain needs to call Barack Obama "Barack Obama."  I know he's trying to sound indirect and therefore not harsh, but, please, find another way.  "That one" isn't how to do it.  All of a sudden, "my friend" doesn't sound so bad.  That being said, it's hardly the  big deal that, no doubt, the Obama campaign will try to make of it.

6.  Thank you, Senator McCain, for noting that Barack Obama would fine small businesses that don't cover their employees' health care.   And for calling Obama on not telling how much the fines would be.

7. McCain's depth and understanding of foreign issues is obvious, if anyone stayed awake long enough to hear it.  And his explicit invocation of America as a "force for good" is an implicit contrast to his opponent's "blame America first" mentality.

8. Barack seems willing to intervene to stop "cruelty" around the world where "we can."  Except, I guess, when it's Iraq.

9. "You're a doing fine, job, Tom," Barack pats the moderator on the head.  Geez.  Reminds you of the "You're likable enough, Hillary," doesn't it?

10.  McCain: "We can never allow a second Holocaust to take place."  Barack's response to the question about Iranian nukes and Israel sounds shallow next to McCain.  One guy is equivocal about protecting Israel; one isn't.




Tuesday, October 07, 2008
Debate Wrap Up: No Ayers, Lots of Substance
Posted by: Amanda Carpenter at 10:41 PM
None of the character attacks that dominated news headlines in the run-up to tonight's debate were discussed in Belmont.

No mention of William Ayers or Charles Keating, despite GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin's scathing stump speeches about Obama and Ayers and Obama's 13-minute documentary about Keating and McCain.

Instead, nearly an hour of the debate focused on the economy. During the last 30 minutes the candidates sprinted through a foreign policy discussion that ranged from Pakistan to Russia to Georgia to Israel.

The debate was substantive and compelling, although moderator Tom Brokaw did not appear to have complete control over the events. Twice Obama notably asked for extra time and Brokaw had to lecture the Illinois senator to play by the rules.

Just like the Saddleback forum earlier this year, McCain answered questions, while Obama seemed to dodge them.

On the most important issue of the day, the economy, McCain put forth a more robust way to jumpstart the U.S. economy: reduce dependecy on foreign oil, lower taxes and cut spending.  He also proposed a program for the goverment to purchase failed home loans and renegotiate them to reflect current market values. (Yes, I am groaning over this.)

Obama, on the other hand, went on autopilot. He blamed the crisis on President Bush and said McCain was "more of the same."

On the foreign policy front, McCain relied on his experience to steer the US out of Iraq, Obama said he was "more of the same."

All in all, it was a solid performance by McCain, but nothing "broke" to dramatically change the game. I do believe, however, independents will be more impressed with McCain's command of the issues than McCain.

All right, I'm off to CNN for a quick post-debate package taping. I'll have more fact-checking, etc for the homepage soon.





Tuesday, October 07, 2008
Coming Up: Post-Debate Analysis
Posted by: Matt Lewis at 10:34 PM
Obama makes a good point that the issue that may be the most important in the future is probably something that nobody is talking about tonight.  I think Hillary popularized this notion earlier in the year. 

In 2000, during the debates, who would have thought that terrorism would be the defining issue of our time?  Likewise, the conventional wisdom that the economy will be the most important issue a year from now may -- or may not -- be correct.  We elect presidents for four year terms, so it's entirely possible that something else will be the pressing issue next year.  That's why the debates should not focus solely on what's happening now...

Coming up, I'll be doing some post-debate analysis at CNN.com.  You can watch it here.  (Click the real time debate commentary thumbnail on the right). 




Tuesday, October 07, 2008
Pakistan, Russia, Georgia, Israel
Posted by: Amanda Carpenter at 10:19 PM
We're covering a lot of foreign policy ground now. We ran through four countries in the last 10 minutes and that's excluding Iraq and Afghanistan.






Tuesday, October 07, 2008
Clash That Will Be Replayed
Posted by: Amanda Carpenter at 10:15 PM
OBAMA: "This is the guy who sang bomb, bomb, bomb Iran...who called for the annhilation of North Korea...who said, 'next up Baghdad!"

MCCAIN: "I understand what it's like to send young Americans into harms way. I was joking with a veteran about going into Iran...I'll get Osama Bin Laden my friends, I'll get him no matter what...but I'm not going to telegraph my punches."

Obama was flippant and arrogant. The libs will love it, the conservatives will hate it and the independents will be uncomfortable.





Tuesday, October 07, 2008
GOP Operatives on State of the Race
Posted by: Matt Lewis at 10:08 PM

I emailed some of my smartest political friends and asked them if McCain can win -- and if so -- what he needs to do tonight.  Here are a few of the most interesting responses.  As you'll see, these folks are very worried about McCain's chances, and generally believe that things are out of his control -- meaning that the environment will determine who wins.

One respected consultant tells me this:

I don't think there is anything he can do.  I also don't think the race is over.  The question is just how big a hole the economy is in, and how people react to it.  If they blame us/Republicans/McCain he can't win.  And i don't think it matters what he says.

One young Ohio conservative writes this:

Greetings Matt! I just voted for him, which was painful. Spent the last week camped out outside of a Columbus stadium where college students and homeless people were being shoveled into the polls for Ohio's first week ever allowing for registering and voting on the same day. The homeless were offered food, and often were left stranded. I think McCain loses Ohio no matter what.... so can he win without it?

I was also at the Bruce Springsteen concert at OSU on Sunday, and the board of elections kept a location early on purpose so they could drag thousands of students into the voting booths.

Also, the word is that regardless of the HAVA laws, Secretary Brunner has absolutely no interest in checking if people are voting in multiple counties or states. Last week, I could have registered at my parents house and voted twice- With the new rules and with lack of staff, there is no way they would have caught me.

One talented young operative offered this strategy:

Look, all the inside polling is saying that the economic crisis is killing Bush and it attached itself to McCain. If the race is about Obama, McCain has a chance. If the race is about the economy, it's going Obama. 

... McCain has to be on offense tonight, has to hit the points he hit in Albuquerque yesterday. He has to get the media to focus on that. If he doesn't, the road gets more difficult with each day.

Another smart young operative fears an Obama landslide:

He needs an “event”.  Either a national or international one or a significant Obama gaffe tonight (or at some point throughout the duration of the campaign).  Since he can only indirectly control the gaffe, he needs to try to force Senator Obama into one tonight.  Easier said than done and frankly I’m not sure how he does that.  right now it seems like the middle/moderates/independents (however you want to classify that group) seems to favor and want more government during these scary and uncertain times so to try to hit him on standard higher taxes/big government is not likely to be very impact.

Not sure how much has been written about this, but I’m fearing an Obama/Dem landslide next month with an outside chance of 310 electoral votes and 61 or 62 Dems in the Senate.   There’s a lot of time left I realize, but the trend is not good.  Also, keep an eye on Dem turnout operations.  Not saying they’ll be better than GOP, but likely to be better than 04 and much better than 2000.






Tuesday, October 07, 2008
Obama's Follow Ups
Posted by: Amanda Carpenter at 10:02 PM
How many times now has Obama asked to bend the rules of the debate, with these follow-up questions??

I remember at least twice.






Tuesday, October 07, 2008
We're Almost an Hour In
Posted by: Amanda Carpenter at 9:57 PM
And no one has brought up William Ayers or foreign policy.

That's a whole hour on economic issues, friends.





Tuesday, October 07, 2008
McCain Presses Fannie and Freddie Attack; Obama Bobs and Weaves.
Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at 9:46 PM
The critical exchange came early, and McCain won it because he has the truth on his side.  Obama did not answer McCain's stinging assault on Obama's and his party's complicity in the financial meltdown brought about by Fannie and Freddie.  Obama's statement that "I never supported Fannie Mae" is an invitation to MSM to examine his real relationship with this financial crisis and its prime movers. This exchange need to be replayed again and again, as does McCain's comparison of Obama's tax and protectionism policies with those of Hoover's. 

The rest of the debate is a non-event which favors Obama since he is ahead, except perhaps for the question on Iran, which has to always help McCain with American voters who support Israel and the close where McCain reminds voters again of his seriousness and experience.  Indeed the final 30 minutes turned back to foreign affairs in a repeat of the questions of the first debate.  Obama fluently presents defeatism as an acceptable strategy, and McCain's strong suit is his experience, but he did not attack Obama directly and missed opportunities to do so. 

Bottom line: McCain was after Fannie and Freddie, and Democrats including Obama did not.

UPDATEDuring the debate, North Korea fires off two missiles, contributing more to the debate than the questions from the aduience or Brokaw, by underscoring the stakes involved here.



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