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Friday, September 08, 2006
Jonah Goldberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
Analogy vs. analogy
by Jonah Goldberg
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"Example is the school of mankind," proclaimed Edmund Burke, the founder of modern conservatism, "and they will learn at no other."

Burke was disparaging the folly of French revolutionaries who believed that man could break the iron chains of history and create utopias through willpower and planning.

This argument about whether history has anything to teach us has been the essence of the left-right debate for most of the last two centuries. Conservatives said: "There's nothing new under the sun." The left said: "Until now!"

Karl Marx - with a lot of dialectical mumbo jumbo - was the most famous champion of the need to change history, not interpret it. But my favorite summary of this mind-set comes from Stuart Chase, the intellectual often credited with coining the phrase "New Deal" for FDR. "Are our plans wrong?" he asked. "Who knows? Can we tell from reading history? Hardly."

Now, this right-left divide is falling apart, as both sides search for a guiding historical analogy for our current predicament.

The Bush administration is determined to convince the public that it is 1938 in Iran and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is Hitler. Or that it's 1917 and Osama bin Laden is a new Lenin. Others see Spanish Civil Wars in Iraq or on Lebanon's southern border. I shudder to count all the folks who claim that Iraq is Vietnam.

For many liberals of a certain generation, Vietnam is a universal peg, fitting perfectly into analytical holes of any shape. Indeed, the closest thing we get to a neat left-right divide on foreign policy these days is between those who see Vietnam as the Rosetta stone of international conundrums and those who see early 20th-century Europe as the universal translator. Continued...

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Subject: Lydia:
How about Cuba? They offer much the same thing as China. They're communist, cheap, a whole lot closer, they have ports, but not enough nukes to bury us, and no independent "nation" off their shore that they claim they have a right to annex (and possibly ignite a nuclear conflict).

Why China and not Cuba? Where's the scream about hypocrisy, people?!

Cuba is the one who should have Most-Favored Nation status, not China.

On comments from various people
"Many Muslims do not value in any way what Americans typically regard as a good society and government."

No. We're an immediate-family-individual oriented culture. They are an extended-family-tribal oriented culture. Immediately you can see they won't value the same things we do. We ask, "What's good for me?" They ask, "What's good for my clan?"


"Second, we need to define realistic strategic goals in relation to the Islamic world. If there are potential friendlies in these countries who might be able to bring about regime change, we should support them fully and openly."

Yes. Regime change requires an alternative government be standing ready to take over at a moment's notice. This is one reason Iraq failed to be the cakewalk that we were sold.

"They are bombarded with our cultural licentiousness, which threatens their whole personal culture. (It's not doing ours a lot of good, either; they're quite right to distrust the effect of a good deal of what they see on MTV.)"

Amen. If you censored our shows for their TV, our 30-minute shows would probably boil down to 3-5 minutes.

I think Lydia's dead on with this one: "I think that Muslim nations must be view[ed] as the U.S.S.R. and communist nations were viewed during the Cold War. And we need to tell them that that is how we look at them and that our missiles are aimed at them."

Containment worked with the USSR/Commies because we didn't trade with them (see a problem here? China?). The problem with missiles is that they take out broad areas, guilty as well as innocent. They also have something we need: oil. Perhaps we need to restart the neutron bomb program. Kill people, leave infrastructure intact.

And this one: "We need to get out of the middle east permanently. It is none of our business."

See, now if we had an alternative energy source, such as bio-diesel or the tritium radio-thermal battery developed, the whole ME could go pound sand for all we cared. They're important for one thing: oil. If they can't export that because no one needs it, they're irrelevant. They can sink back to the Stone Age for all we care. But I'm just a stupid brainless liberal. Sheesh.


"Our causes are not advanced by aligning ourselves with enemies of our country, with radical Islamists or those decadent despots who are the remnants of Soviet-style communism."

Hello, Chinese communism, one of our largest trade partners...? Do we see a problem yet?
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