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Thursday, November 22, 2007
Marvin Olasky :: Townhall.com Columnist
Thank vs. Thank You
by Marvin Olasky
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Many of us are giving thanks today, but are we thanking God, thanking our friends or throwing into the air an undirected thanks?

I thought about the direction of our thankfulness after spending a weekend with a successful writer who is an atheist. (Call him Ahab.) We debated basic theology on Saturday and had a good time. But on Sunday, we had a rancorous time when discussing today's biggest issues: gay marriage and abortion. That got me thinking; why was the first discussion fun and the second painful?

My sense is that the rancor of the second discussion grew out of an unresolved matter during the first: whether "thank" requires an object. Ahab mentioned a recent vacation in which he was swimming peacefully in a calm fragment of the Atlantic Ocean. He felt enormously thankful for his opportunity to be in such a beautiful place. I asked him whom he was thanking. Maybe book buyers who had helped him become affluent? (But they didn't make the ocean.) Maybe his parents and wife? (But they didn't make the ocean.)

I felt he was impoverished by being able, in that situation, only to say, in essence, "I thank" -- rather than, "I thank you." Because he would not credit the Creator, the experience was not as rich as it otherwise could have been.

What does that have to do with our second-day rancor? Only this: That thanking God, for a Christian, is also bound up with trusting God. Christians (I'm one) are thanking God for grace, unmerited favor. Especially because we have not earned such compassion, we thank God for seeing exactly who we are and giving us what we need to change.

We love God not as equals, but as recipients of his kindness and respecters of his omnipotence. That's why the Bible tells us he is our Father in heaven and why the Apostles' Creed begins, "I believe in one God, the Father almighty." And so when God tells us in the Bible to believe or do something and we don't fully understand why, we still try to do it; God has done so much for us that we give him the benefit of the doubt.

If we say "thank" instead of "thank you," God does not get that benefit. Given our natural egos, we are more likely to ignore him or even declare that he does not exist. So Ahab and I could agree that it's not right to murder, commit adultery, steal, lie or covet, but he is unwilling to define murder to include the work of abortionists because he wants abortion to remain a right. And Ahab thinks marriage should be expanded to include not only homosexual nuptials, but polyamorous groups.

I can't agree with him because of what the Bible says. Curiously, we became rancorous about applying the second half of the Ten Commandments, but it's the first commandment that makes sense of everything that follows: "I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage."

Thanksgiving is a time to thank God by reaffirming -- not just in theory, but in experience -- he and the Bible have proved worthy of our trust. At the times we feel let down, we still know -- because we have learned through hard experience -- God is the only source of light. Even the bleakest of the 150 psalms, Psalm 88, recognizes that.

If our deliverer sometimes asks us to affirm certain tenets that cause us difficulty or surpass our understanding, we should do so because of the relationship he established with us, one that causes us to say not "thank," but "thank you." In the end, we give thanks not because God has given us a lot of food (or a little), but because he changed our hearts.

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Marvin Olasky is editor-in-chief of the national news magazine World, provost of The King's College, and a professor of journalism at The University of Texas at Austin. For additional commentary by Marvin Olasky, visit www.worldmag.com.
 
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Subject: lonestar
"Happy for you that you found what you sought..."
Well I didn't seek so much as found myself in the proverbial foxhole. had to make a choice.
Would prefer to have found by seeking...

"Hope we talk more..."
Yeah- me too.

SunThe1
"All you say makes sense to me; you're obviously a person of great intellect."

No, I'm very simple in my thinking. Pseudointellectuals--oh, say, like, Ken--bore me to tears.

I think it's my simple questions and arguments that allow me to connect with people, and them with me. Verbivore and I, for instance, have been talking for months now.

"I do believe that the deepest faith is that which has been doubted and questioned; I therefore admire your quest."

And I yours. John Stuart Mill, _On Liberty_, talks about ideas and how if we don't challenge them in the public square, they whither and die.

"That said, there are probably no thinkers' works, no posters here or books that can convince you, or prove the intangible to you--as you said if I can't know it or understand it, how can I believe in it? There is nothing anyone can say about it that can't be rationally or logically refuted. That's why my 'know' was in quotes...it's a different kind of knowing."

Called believing, called faith. Which, as well, cannot be rationally or logically refuted. All the more so because especially for Christians faith is about a personal relationship with God, not an outward one. I know there, or believe, there's no proof either way, but I am interested in what people think and believe. And I learn a lot from people, so it's very rewarding.

"One day something might happen, and then some things will make sense to you that never did before.
For me, it was the case that when the student was ready, the teacher appeared. I didn't get ready easily."

Perhaps that will happen to me. I don't know, don't resist it, don't fear it. I'm happy for you you found what you sought. You seem to have an inner strength about it to be able to freely talk about it, and that is admirable. Hope we talk so more in the future.
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